MoKan Motorsports Forums

If you mean compiled two day times, no those were not posted. But both days were posted on the trailer, so if you really cared to know you could do the math yourself. Especially before 4th heat, because I personally was over there after the third heat and all three heats to that point were posted for both days.

Yes, I was talking about combined results. You want me to do math in my head in heatstroke weather? Not happening!!!!!!! But, to get back to the main point, I would like to see what some of my freinds did in other classes, too.

if it helps - i ran a 42.5 on Saturday and a 39.3 on Sunday

Braggart.....cough, cough

A little food for thought here: my wife was absent from the event because she was co-chairing a triathalon in kc. They had over 200 entries and had results posted on line about 20 minutes after the last competitor crossed the finish line. My wife cannot take credit for this, because she wasnt involved in the timing/scoring. She basically was the registrar for the event.

Respectfully, 200 contestants each doing three tasks in the same order. Add each person's times when they cross the finish line. Possibly a few classes, but not dozens. Then, there are no cones, no handicap (PAX) factors, no second day or weather delays, etc. Not really a fair comparison.

Jake, Mike, Jarad, and their crews have spoiled us over the past two years as they have done a fine job getting times posted in a bigger hurry then before. They will get this sorted out and posted. Better SLOOOOW and CORRECT than FAAAAST and wrong.

Wow. You're welcome for keeping timing and scoring going through all the rain and heat. As Bob said, keeping track of dozens of classes, cone calls over the radio, cone audits and timing audits, over a two days period with a heavy rainfall at the end of day one, and going from four to three runs isn't always easy. Granted, T&S did make a mistake in setting up the event that took time away from getting the results right up, but we are still working hard and we worked very hard during the event.

Hey !!!!!!!!!!!! Can I suck up, or WHAT ?!?!?!?!?!?!

Might as well beat the dead horse here. In a triathalon, you have 3 lengths of courses, male and female classes, and then age groups.About 80 classes altogether, So that arguement is out the window. Next, someone on this list said that we had complete results done shortly after the event was done. Aside from pax issues, why cant we upload results that were done at 4pm on sunday into sps website and be done with it? We should not be holding up posted results for Pax. Pax aint shit! Go and compete at solo nats sometime. Do they worry about pax? I think not. Pax, if really needed, can be posted on a website a week or 10 days later. It has nothing to do with the "real" results.
ps, I dont recall saying that anyone made a mistake or wasnt working hard in timing and scoring. You put that label on yourself.

I wasn't there...but I have to ask....

How did we present trophies without results?

Every Midiv I've ever been to over the past 15+ years, has had combined results printed at the conclusion of the last heat. You kinda have to in order to do a trophy presentation. Sure it would sometimes take a couple days for the webmaster to get them posted online....or even in the ancient times....we had to wait a week for the mail to arrive.

Greg, it was set up as 2 events. We took the fastest from 1 event and the fastest from 2 event and added them up manually for the total time. It wasn't a complete result list that we did trophy from.

Bill, what would you like to do to HELP the issue? PAX isn't what is holding this up, manually combining 2 events and trying to get the software to ignore a 4th run is what the issue is.

-Shawn

Wow, what a bunch of whining going on in this thread.

Greg: I appreciate that you're trying to help here, but at the Midiv you chaired at Arrowhead had the same issues with timing that are being discussed here. Those issues caused huge problems for me at that Arrowhead event, and your response at the time was wholly unsatisfactory, but I didn't whine then.

I don't think you got it right at your event, so I'm not sure you are the proper person to be in this discussion. Especially since you didn't attend the most recent midiv.

Red-Devil: You have complained about the times not being posted, but actually they were. Then you stated that you refuse to do the simple addition of the times to determine your overall weekend tally.

So you just want to be spoonfed then?

You do realize that every competitor at the event dealt with the same issues as you, right?

To all the whiners, if you feel a need to improve our efforts, you are invited to dive in and get to work. This is not a service organization, this is a conglomeration of likeminded volunteers.

So you can 1) be constructive, 2) volunteer to help fix problems, or 3) STFU.

d.hitchcock

Maybe everybody can just settle down. When the T&S crew gets done, they will post the data. It would certainly be wonderful. The weather threw a BIG monkey wrench in the process. An error in not setting up the event properly (I think I heard this) caused another issue. Bottom line - sh!t happened. If the results come out today or next Monday (or whenever) NOTHING will change. No money, no impact on sponsors (huh?!?!), no nothing. BTW, the crew handling all this have families and jobs. Given the quality of their product since they started doing T&S in 2009, I would say they have done a hell of a job and have EARNED some slack. There is a take away from this, and that is that next time the event must be correctly set up in the computer. If anybody can do something about the weather ..................................... "bring it".

Yes, the main hold-up for posting the results was because the event was set up wrong. This is the first MiDiv this T&S has done, so we made a mistake in setting up the event. Instead of setting up the event as a two-day event, we set up two different events for the two days. Because of doing this, and since AxWare has no import function, we are having to go through the times and enter them manually into a single two-day event. That means entering in about 945 times and associated penalties. And then the whole going from four runs to three runs throws another wrench into it since the whole weekend has to be setup with four runs. But we will get it done and learn from it.

And THIS is why the crew has done so well in 09 and 10. Seriously.

Food for thought, you piss off the main 2 or 3 guys doing timing and scoring. They quit, what are you left with? I am thankful we have them doing timing and scoring. I think they have done a great job over the last 2 years!

WOW! Look at the support the bitchin' has garnered for our T&S crew! Mike & Jared - y'all rock, in my book and and the books of TONS of other people. Please don't let a small minority discourage you. Those who compete REGULARLY in the region understand the situation and appreciate all you're having to go through to ... get 'er done.

To all who competed: just an FYI. The results are being compiled while the compiler is working about 70 hours this week and trying to get into a new house. Wanna trade with him? I know I don't, but I've offered.

So...thank you for your patience. The results will be posted once they are complete and no sooner.

We could do what Greg remembers and just mail 'em out...instead of posting.

I wasn't complaining...no dog in the hunt. I was just curious how trophies were handed out without results.

As for "my" midiv results....I can't remember....anything really. The last time I chaired a KC Midiv was 2006.

Although I'm pretty sure we had combined times at the end of the event, as I don't remember having to add anything prior to trophy presentation, and I do remember having complete results printed in my hand as I was announcing whiners...I mean winners. Not that I take credit for having results....I'm pretty sure Jake was my chief of T&S. There could have been a whole nother problem getting them posted online...don't really remember.

+ 1 for what all the Hills said.

Is probably too late now but some thoughts. Since we really only need three runs anyhow would it have been simpler to just drop the slowest time from the 4 run guys and give everyone three runs. Trying to add in a 4th run to the 3 run guys seems futile.

Final rebuttal: (at least I hope final)
DH.....There was no refusal on my part to add 2 days times. When I looked at the "results" I saw only 1 day listed. However, if I had seen both days posted, my heatstroked brain would not have been able to add and compare times of all 3 F125 drivers. Spoonfed? that would be nice, but no that is not what I expect. And I certainly do realize that all competitors had the same issues that I had. I am not special, just an average Joe.
Shawn....I apologize if I stirred things up a bit (not my intent). Until your last post, I was not aware of the real timing issues in the event. What would I suggest to help situation? Possibly buy a better computer software system and have a 2 hour training session on a saturday in March, about a week or 2 before the first event. I would gladly attend such a session, although my hunt a peck skills are pretty weak. I would imagine that I would only slow things down. I just a lowly mechanic/bodyman, not a computer nerd/geek. Sorry that I got the Hill family in an uproar. I would never purposely do that. I consider the whole Hill gang amongst my best friends in the autocross family.
dfink......Ingenious idea, but if our software is so finicky, I bet it wouldnt work, either.
Bill Schmidt

The software is fine. Many regions use it and it works fine when properly set up at the start of an event and if you don't try to confuse it with a different number of runs each day. We haven't done a two day event here in two years so the set-up procedure is a bit rusty. Betcha it doesn't happen again unless we have to find new T&S guys.

FWIW, a training session has been held in prior years and the attendance was staggering (do I hear crickets?). It sure wouldn't hurt to have a well trained crew with a few alternates available to cover for when people can't make some events because life gets in the way of having fun.

On an unrelated note, it would be nice if we had more safety stewards in the region as well.

Cheerio.

P.S. Burnout increases geometrically with the amount of bitching directed at volunteer work. Let's not let things spiral out of control.

Software issue? No. Human error? Yes. I have already explained it multiple times what the problem was.

But, I am sorry you get the Hill family in an uproar, I guess that is what all that matters.

Anyway, I'm ready to put this behind me. The horse has been beaten and I hope I don't have to face any of these T&S nightmares again.......hopefully.

Freak - you and your crew keep on keepin' on. One hiccup in over in two years is a damn good track record. Just keep on truckin' ---

I think Jared and Mike do a phenomenal job with timing and scoring. I had quiet a few hiccups during my 2 year term with all of this. These two have ironed out so many bugs and brought in a lot of neat technology for the KC region. Registration works better, we can run the courses that we do because of wireless equipment, eventually the wireless boards will work too. There was one box that didnt get checked under the event file. Pretty small mistake that kinda mushroomed over the course of two days Day 1 results up to heat 4. Lightning delay for heat 4 so far. Jerry and chris in first and third in STX. Sean, Kevin, and Ryan sit 2, taking me a couple of days and that was with an almost flawless event. Greg had printed results within half an hour just like Shawn did last weekend. The post event clean-up was just on a much much larger scale this time. It'll get done and it will be right. Just be patient with these guys.

More personal note. I have hosted T&S training events before and with very few attendees. The ones that did show were the same people that volunteer for every other position. There is always this big "I'll help" attitude but when it comes time it is the same small crew. It has burnt out some very positive people for this club and it is a shame. Bill you complained about T&S issues a few years ago and it ruffled my feathers but you never did anything positive about it. You are doing the same here and admittidly would be no help in the truckster. So my response to you would be; sorry, deal with it.